When the mob makes you lose your sanity

by Pop on April 12, 2011

Post image for When the mob makes you lose your sanity

This may be the last time you trust “reason” in a crowd.

There are many psychological defects that make us do dumb things with money. We chase performance in the stock market and feel pressure from the next house over to buy fancy cars.

If you’ve read any personal finance blog for more than a week, you’ve probably heard some sort of encouragement to “be different” and separate wants from needs, etc., and all that sounds like good advice.

Personally, I’m not so sure it is. Personal finance advice too often focuses on telling you what to do and encouraging you to do it. It sets up the “Do I buy a new Lexus?” scenario as a rational dilemma with a clear answer and path to follow while summarily dismissing wanting to look good in front of the neighbors as the silly purview of broke cattlemen with big hats.

I’m a much bigger fan of avoiding those defects, through using defaults (automatic savings, auto bill pay, auto portfolio re-balancing) rather than trying to counteract the defects will all that positive thinking. This post is meant to show why.

In short, I’m not so sure we can fight the herd.

ABC runs a show called “What Would You Do?” on Fridays. It’s one of those rare shows that’s actually lasted more than a few episodes, but you really only need the plot of one to know how the rest work.

In an episode I saw a few months ago, a few men and women were put through a mock frat or sorority initiation on a public street. The activities were rather extreme with over-the-top physical and verbal abuse. Hidden cameras were rolling to see if anybody would try to stop it or if, instead, people might even join in.

Most people simply ignored the spectacle, one or two joined it, and I can only remember a couple actually trying to stop the abuse. The show, of course, is meant to make all of us think “Of course I would make them stop!” while showing that most people don’t.

To a social psychologist, the show’s probably not surprising one bit. If you put the onlookers alone in a room with the abuse going on, they might speak up, but in a crowd, suddenly all sense of individuality disappears. If the rest of the mob is doing nothing, best to not stand out. If the mob seems OK with an activity, it must be normal to be OK with the activity yourself.

What Would You Do? was a set-up, but there are several infamous examples of the same phenomenon.

You see a murder from your apartment window. What would you do?

In 1964, Kitty Genovese was stalked and stabbed to death in Queens, New York. The murder didn’t happen at once. She was attacked, left to stumble around, and finally killed about an hour later. Neighbors heard screams, might have seen the attacker, but did nothing. A famous New York Times article began with this chilling line: “For more than half an hour 38 respectable, law-abiding citizens in Queens watched a killer stalk and stab a woman in three separate attacks in Kew Gardens.”

Some parts of the story were later discredited, but it’s since been taught in social psychology classes as evidence of the “bystander effect”. A few years after the Genovese murder, John Darley and Bibb Latane attempted to replicate seeming indifference to emergency situations in the lab.

In the Darley/Latane experiment, an undergraduate would be put into a room, alone, with an intercom. He or she was supposed to talk about difficulties of student life with other members of the group (who were supposedly in other rooms, kept private to protect their anonymity). As they took turns talking, one of them would mention that he suffered from seizures. Later in the conversation, the test subject would hear this:

I-er-um-I think I-I need-er-if-if could-er-er-somebody er-er-er-er-er-er-er give me a little-er-give me a little help here because-er-I-er-I’m-er-er-h-h-having a-a-a real problem- er-right now and I-er-if somebody could help me out it would-it would-er-er s-s-sure be-sure be good . . . because-er-there-er-er-a cause I-er-I-uh-I’ve got a-a one of the-er-sei–er-er-things coming on and-and-and I could really-er-use some help so if somebody would-er-give me a little h-help-uh-er-er-er-er-er c-could somebody-er-er-help-er-uh-uh-uh (choking sounds). . . . I’m gonna die-er-er-I’m . . . gonna die-er-help-er-er-seizure- er-[chokes, then quiet].

Seriously. It was in the script.

So guess how long it took the students to, you know, leave the room and tell somebody that someone else on the conference was having a seizure?

First problem: If there were 6 people on the call (subject, victim, and four others), only 31% ever reported it.

Second problem: Even if they did, it took the subject a full 2 minutes and 46 seconds on average after hearing that to go seek help.

If there were fewer people on the conference, the rates and speed of reporting went up. Being in a group of non-doers is was kept people from intervening.

You see someone about to jump off a building. What would you do?

September 2008. A 17-year old, suffering from a bad breakup, threatens to jump from a parking garage. Police negotiators spend three hours trying to talk him down. The crowd acts a bit differently. Here’s a quote from a security guard who was there: “The police did a fantastic job at the incident and were not helped by a baying crowd, some with children, calling for the lad to jump.”

The teenager jumped.

Or how about August 2001. A 26-year old jumped from the Seattle Bridge, after some members of a crowd taunted “Jump bitch jump!” Or February last year, the mob taunted a jumper in San Francisco.

It’d be easy to pass off the cases as meanness or a lack of awareness of how serious the situations were. Part of it, however, is just herd mentality. If someone individually ran across a jumper, he’d probably call the police. Put in a group, that sense of responsibility dissipates. And once one person starts yelling out at the jumper, the rest feel more inclined to do it themselves.

I have the same visceral, disgusted reaction that you probably do. But sometimes I wonder if but for the grace of God, I could have been in that crowd.

(For a great post on the subject, check out You Are Not So Smart.)

And you think you stand a chance in personal finance?

John has a hot stock tip. Everyone at the barbecue nods in agreement.

Mary guilts you into coming to a charity auction. The bidding gets pretty heated.

You hear about money pouring into stocks or gold or whatever. And you wonder if you should come along too.

Or conversely, you feel like too much of your money is at risk in the stock market, but no one else seems to be concerned.

So tell me, what would you do? And are you so sure now that you see even in extremely terrible situations, so many people checked reason at the door and surrendered to the herd?

All the self-motivating, I-can-learn-my-way-out-of-anything things you think are going to bring you to financial fulfillment don’t hold a candle to the deep, deep psychological underpinnings that separate us from the machines.

You’re not going to reason your ways out of these problems. You need to learn why “reason” has nothing to do with them.

Share

{ 269 comments… read them below or add one }

cardio machines November 25, 2025 at 6:00 am

Great article. It’s very unfortunate that over the last one decade, the travel industry has had to take on terrorism, SARS, tsunamis, bird flu, swine flu, and the first ever entire global economic depression. Through everything the industry has really proven to be robust, resilient and also dynamic, getting new strategies to deal with difficulty. There are always fresh troubles and the possiblility to which the industry must again adapt and respond.

togelup November 25, 2025 at 2:06 pm

Do you mind if I quote a couple of your articles as long as I provide credit and sources back to your weblog? My website is in the exact same area of interest as yours and my users would definitely benefit from a lot of the information you present here. Please let me know if this ok with you. Thank you!

Digital Marketing Services November 25, 2025 at 6:44 pm

This is one of the best postings I’ve read in quite a while. Good work.

State Farm Insurance Agent November 26, 2025 at 8:57 am

Hello there, I found your blog via Google while looking for a related topic, your website came up, it looks great. I’ve bookmarked it in my google bookmarks.

State Farm Insurance Agent November 26, 2025 at 4:39 pm

According to my research, after a the foreclosure home is bought at a sale, it is common to the borrower in order to still have a remaining unpaid debt on the mortgage. There are many creditors who try to have all costs and liens repaid by the following buyer. Nonetheless, depending on specific programs, restrictions, and state legislation there may be several loans that aren’t easily handled through the switch of financial products. Therefore, the responsibility still remains on the consumer that has obtained his or her property foreclosed on. Thank you sharing your notions on this website.

dog dry food November 27, 2025 at 5:13 pm

It is appropriate time to make some plans for the future and it’s time to be happy. I have read this post and if I could I want to suggest you some interesting things or suggestions. Perhaps you can write next articles referring to this article. I desire to read more things about it!

insurance agency November 27, 2025 at 8:32 pm

Thanks a lot for sharing this with all of us you actually know what you’re talking about! Bookmarked. Please also visit my website =). We could have a link exchange arrangement between us!

the brain song reviews November 27, 2025 at 11:41 pm

Enjoyed looking through this, very good stuff, appreciate it.

insurance agency near me November 28, 2025 at 9:34 am

That is the best weblog for anybody who needs to seek out out about this topic. You notice a lot its almost arduous to argue with you (not that I actually would want?HaHa). You definitely put a brand new spin on a topic thats been written about for years. Nice stuff, just great!

private server game November 29, 2025 at 1:06 pm

I pay a visit everyday a few websites and blogs to read articles, except this weblog provides quality based posts.|

private server game November 29, 2025 at 3:34 pm

Good day! This is my first visit to your blog! We are a team of volunteers and starting a new project in a community in the same niche. Your blog provided us useful information to work on. You have done a outstanding job!|

Farm Insurance Agent November 29, 2025 at 5:08 pm

Thanks for the helpful article. It is also my belief that mesothelioma cancer has an really long latency interval, which means that symptoms of the disease might not exactly emerge until 30 to 50 years after the 1st exposure to asbestos. Pleural mesothelioma, that is the most common type and affects the area throughout the lungs, could potentially cause shortness of breath, breasts pains, along with a persistent coughing, which may result in coughing up maintain.

Anna Swearingen - State Farm Insurance Agent November 30, 2025 at 9:37 am

I have taken note that of all forms of insurance, health insurance is the most debatable because of the issue between the insurance coverage company’s necessity to remain profitable and the user’s need to have insurance policy. Insurance companies’ commission rates on health and fitness plans are low, so some corporations struggle to make money. Thanks for the suggestions you discuss through this website.

pink salt trick November 30, 2025 at 3:44 pm

I’d have to examine with you here. Which is not one thing I usually do! I take pleasure in reading a post that may make folks think. Additionally, thanks for permitting me to comment!

trx address December 1, 2025 at 2:37 am

Howdy! This is my 1st comment here so I just wanted to give a quick shout out and say I truly enjoy reading through your articles. Can you suggest any other blogs/websites/forums that deal with the same subjects? Thank you so much!

gelatin trick December 1, 2025 at 8:24 am

I’m really loving the theme/design of your web site. Do you ever run into any internet browser compatibility issues? A couple of my blog visitors have complained about my blog not operating correctly in Explorer but looks great in Chrome. Do you have any recommendations to help fix this problem?

Deric Currie December 1, 2025 at 11:57 am

I’m really enjoying the theme/design of your weblog. Do you ever run into any internet browser compatibility problems? A number of my blog readers have complained about my website not working correctly in Explorer but looks great in Safari. Do you have any advice to help fix this issue?

diy tron vanity address December 1, 2025 at 1:45 pm

Thanks for your article on this blog site. From my very own experience, many times softening right up a photograph may well provide the photography with a little an artistic flare. More often than not however, that soft clouds isn’t precisely what you had at heart and can quite often spoil a normally good image, especially if you thinking about enlarging them.

Danny Fernandez December 1, 2025 at 5:42 pm

Good article. It is unfortunate that over the last years, the travel industry has already been able to to fight terrorism, SARS, tsunamis, flu virus, swine flu, as well as the first ever entire global economic depression. Through everthing the industry has really proven to be powerful, resilient along with dynamic, discovering new ways to deal with hardship. There are constantly fresh challenges and the opportunity to which the marketplace must again adapt and answer.

Leave a Comment

Previous post: